Associated Skin Care Professionals (ASCP) presents The Rogue Pharmacist with Benjamin Knight Fuchs. This podcast takes an enlightening approach to supporting licensed estheticians in their pursuit to achieve results-driven skin care treatments for their clients. You can always count on us to share professional skin care education, innovative techniques, and the latest in skin science.
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Benjamin Knight Fuchs is a registered pharmacist, nutritionist, and skin care chemist with 35 years of experience developing pharmacy-potent skin health products for estheticians, dermatologists, and plastic surgeons. Ben’s expert advice gives licensed estheticians the education and skin science to better support the skin care services performed in the treatment room while sharing insights to enhance clients’ at-home skin care routines.
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0:00:03.9 Tracy Donley: Welcome everybody to our first episode of ASCP and the Rogue Pharmacist Benjamin Knight Fuchs. We are so excited. So each episode will explore how ingredients, chemicals and the environment can have a positive and a negative effect on the skin. I'm Tracy Donley, Executive Director of ASCP. And joining me today and co-hosting is Maggie Staszcuk our ASCP Education Specialist, and now if you've listened to our other podcast ASCP Esty Talk you already know how brilliant she is. Hi, Maggie.
0:00:40.6 Maggie Staszcuk: Hey, Tracy.
0:00:41.5 TD: Good to have you. I'm super excited about this.
0:00:43.6 MS: Thanks. Thanks so much for having me.
0:00:45.2 TD: Good, good, good. Okay, so let's get started. So in this episode I really wanna set the stage. Many of you may already know our guest Benjamin Knight Fuchs. He really doesn't need much of an introduction. But I really wanna set the stage 'cause many of you guys might know him, but you might not really know his story. So welcome, Ben.
0:01:08.2 Ben Fuchs: Thank you, Tracy. And thank you, Maggie. I'm kinda embarrassed, I have to tell you.
0:01:12.2 TD: Why?
0:01:12.8 BF: I don't like talking about my story so much.
0:01:14.5 TD: Oh, but your story is so great.
0:01:15.5 BF: It's kind of a cool... Yeah, it is a cool story.
0:01:17.1 TD: It's such a cool story.
0:01:17.9 MS: It's so much fun.
0:01:19.2 TD: So you're a registered pharmacist, nutritionist, and skincare chemist.
0:01:23.2 BF: Yes.
0:01:23.6 TD: You've been developing pharmacy potent skincare products for estheticians, dermatologists, plastic surgeons for decades, right?
0:01:31.0 BF: Yes. I started... I actually started before there were estheticians. And because my background was skin, and I'll tell you the story in a sec...
0:01:37.9 TD: Yay.
0:01:38.3 BF: As soon as estheticians started to pop up all over the place, I was situated to be the go-to because I'd been working with skin as a pharmacist with dermatologists for many years. And then all of a sudden this thing happened. I don't know if you know what happened, but all of a sudden there were estheticians. Do you remember the days before estheticians?
0:01:55.4 TD: I don't know if I do.
0:01:57.6 MS: Well, I remember estheticians in the '90s, I feel like.
0:02:00.3 BF: Yes. It was the '90s. It was the early '90s. There were no estheticians, there they were cosmeticians.
0:02:04.5 TD: Okay.
0:02:04.8 BF: And they did nails, and they did a little skin. And there were really no tools for estheticians or for cosmeticians until something dramatic happened in the early 1990s, by 1992.
0:02:13.8 TD: Okay, I'm on the edge of my seat now, Ben. So you have gotta just tell us.
0:02:17.1 BF: What happened was this ingredient that I had been working within the pharmacy setting for many years, that dermatologists knew about but the general public didn't know about this one ingredient. It came out into the marketplace. And this was the first ingredient that could actually do something for the skin that was available over the counter. Before that, there were no ingredients that could do things on the skin that were available over the counter. In fact, there weren't a lot of ingredients that could do anything on the skin period, except for retinoic acid or Retin-A... Which was in Retin-A. But this one ingredient I had been filling prescriptions for. In fact, I had bought myself a drum of it before anybody had heard of it, and I was making cleansers with it and lotions with it, and I was filling prescriptions with it for various skincare issues. Do you wanna know what it is? You're looking at me.
0:02:55.8 TD: I'm dying.
0:02:57.0 BF: And then all of a sudden...
0:02:58.2 TD: You're still not telling us?
0:03:00.8 BF: No.
0:03:00.9 TD: Okay. Okay. Okay.
0:03:01.0 BF: I'm setting it up. So all of a sudden this company came out with a product that had this ingredient in it, and it revolutionized skincare because for the first time there was an ingredient that was available to the general public that could actually make changes in the skin. That could actually help with wrinkles. That could actually help thicken the skin. That could take care of acne blemishes. That could lighten the skin. That was completely multi-functional.
0:03:21.6 TD: Oh, I think I might know now.
0:03:22.4 BF: Right? I'm sure you know what it is.
0:03:23.8 TD: Yeah. Uh-huh.
0:03:24.3 BF: And of course the ingredient was glycolic acid. And the first company that came out with this glycolic acid product that was available over the counter was Estee Lauder, and they had a product called Fruition.
0:03:34.9 TD: Oh, yes.
0:03:35.3 BF: And, do you remember this? Yes?
0:03:36.4 TD: I remember Fruition.
0:03:37.9 BF: Yes. Fruition. It was...
0:03:38.5 TD: I loved it. The blue bottle.
0:03:39.7 BF: Yeah. That's right. And then Avon had their version of it. It was just... I forget what Avon called theirs. Avon and Estee Lauder were the first two companies that put glycolic acid out, and it revolutionized skincare because for the first time, at home, you could get the same kind of treatment that you would have to get using either prescription of Retin-A or maybe perhaps having a cosmetic peel done. And it completely changed how skincare was done. But because it was active and because it did something for the skin, the powers that be felt like it had to be regulated, and they felt like it had to be used by professionals. And so this profession called the esthetician was actually born in response to the availability of this ingredient, which had been available on a prescription basis and savvy dermatologists... And like I said, I knew about it in my pharmacy, and I was filling scripts for it. But it was felt that because it was active there should be some regulation involved and some education involved and some kind of credentialing service that was involved so that people would know how to use it. And that's when estheticians came about, But though I had been working with glycolic acid for years. And like I say, I had bought a drum of it, and I was making all kinds of products with it.
0:04:40.9 TD: Can't you guys just... I'm sorry to interrupt you, but can't you guys just imagine Ben is like the mad scientist in a laboratory.
0:04:47.9 MS: Totally.
0:04:48.3 TD: With this drum of glycolic acid.
0:04:50.3 BF: Exactly. And I bought...
0:04:51.0 TD: I love it.
0:04:51.4 BF: I bought 55 gallons...
0:04:52.9 TD: Oh, wow.
0:04:53.4 BF: Of 75% for like... It was less than $400. And I had this big drum of glycolic acid, and I was doing all kinds of things with it. And then all of a sudden, like I say, people started to know about it, and it was in Cosmo and it was in Vogue. And do you remember when all this was happening in the early...
0:05:07.4 TD: Yeah. Now I do now. Yeah.
0:05:08.5 BF: It completely changed everything. And because I had been working with glycolic acid and playing with it, and I had a good understanding of it, I became kind of like a go-to person for estheticians. And as estheticians were popping up all over the place, I was developing my craft. And little by little, I became like the estheticians' pharmacist and a skincare pharmacist. But my background had been in skincare, and that's what you were kind of alluding to.
0:05:30.5 TD: Yeah.
0:05:31.1 BF: When I was in pharmacy school... You know, when you're a pharmacist you have to have internship hours, right? Like all professions have to have internship hours. Well, one day I was walking to the basement of the School of Pharmacy... I know you love this story.
0:05:40.6 TD: I love this story. I do. I love it.
0:05:42.1 BF: It's a cool story. It's a cool story. And I smelled this pepperminty smell coming out of one of the rooms, and I followed my nose and I walked into the room and there was this really cool laboratory. And I was a lab rat always. When I was a kid I had a chemistry set, and I always liked chemistry. And I was sort of disappointed with pharmacy school because we learned a lot about the names of drugs and side effects and studied the structure of various pharmacological agents in biology, of course. But we didn't really do a lot of lab work, and that was my passion, it was being in the lab. So I walk in this room with the pepperminty smell, and there's the coolest lab in there with beakers and distillation...
0:06:16.8 TD: Like your heaven.
0:06:17.7 BF: Oh my God, it was the coolest. And there was this little old man in the corner, and he was tinkering around. And I just walked up to him, and I just started talking to him. And we chatted and next thing I know, he's like, "Hey, I need a research assistant. You wanna be my research assistant?" I'm like, "Are you kidding me?" I'm only 22 years old, and I'm like, this is like you say, it's heaven, it's like my dream come true. Well, it turns out that this lab that I walked into was the Blistex research lab.
0:06:38.9 TD: So crazy.
0:06:39.6 BF: Right? And so it turns out that Dr. Jones, Tony Jones is the guy who invented Blistex and he was a professor at the University of Colorado, and at the time, he was actually a retired professor, but because he was well known and famous, the Blistex corporation gave the University of Colorado a lot of money and in return the University of Colorado gave Blistex Corporation a lab and Dr. Jones would formulate products in the lab.
0:06:58.0 TD: Dr. Jones.
0:06:58.7 BF: Yes, Dr. Jones.
0:07:00.6 TD: I like that.
0:07:00.7 BF: Yes, he was, I thought, I always thought he was so old. He was like 50 years old.
0:07:03.8 TD: That's so young.
0:07:04.6 BF: Right? I know now... And anyway, he would develop products there and he had developed a lot of products, he had developed a product called Kank-A, which was for canker sores, and Ivarest and he had another one, he had a whole bunch of different products, and he would formulate products and test Blistex and come up with different Blistex, in fact, you may know that now, if you go to the Blistex, if you are at the drug store, you'll see a bunch of different Blistex products, right?
0:07:26.5 TD: Yeah, I've noticed. Yeah.
0:07:26.6 BF: Right? But back then, there was only two. There were three, there was Blistex in a dish, there was Blistex in a cream and there was Blistex in a stick, so all of those products that you see now, those were all developed by myself and Dr. Jones and a few other people in the 1980s.
0:07:38.0 TD: I love them.
0:07:38.1 MS: That's amazing.
0:07:38.6 BF: Right?
0:07:39.4 TD: Isn't that so cool?
0:07:40.3 BF: And his project was to develop new Blistex products, that was what he was doing, and it's just... I just stumbled in the lab, and for the next four years, I was working in the Blistex lab, making Blistex, making new products, formulating products, testing products, there was a lot of really cool things. In fact, my main job in addition to washing dishes and doing the grunt work, it was to actually go into the lab after school and make his formulas for him, he would have a stack of formulas that he would type up on his IBM Selectric.
0:08:07.5 TD: Oh nice.
0:08:08.2 BF: And... Remember those? IBM Selectric.
0:08:09.3 TD: Yeah, you're like taking me back.
0:08:11.0 BF: Right? Right?
0:08:11.3 TD: This is so... Yeah.
0:08:12.1 BF: Right? He would just be typing away and he used to have these formulas and there'd be a stack of formulas, and my job was to make formulas for him and then test the formulas and do stability and pH and all of these various things that you do. And so I got this incredible background, not just in making products, but in making medicinal products, in making healing products, and Dr. Jones was old school and his concepts were very... He's from the 1930s and 1940s, and His concepts were very traditional, but what he really taught me was there were ways that you could leverage chemistry in the skin to truly create changes. And so when I graduated pharmacy school, I went to work in drug stores, I didn't really... I had never worked in drug stores before, and I was somewhat horrified by the fact that people were taking medicines that I knew were toxic from being a pharmacist, from being a student in pharmacy school, and it just kind of disturbed me. And then on top of that, I found myself going out to the skin care section at K-Mart, which was where I was working.
0:09:04.9 TD: Yeah.
0:09:05.4 BF: Right?
0:09:06.1 TD: I worked there too, just so you know.
0:09:07.3 BF: Did you really?
0:09:07.8 TD: Yeah, I got to call out Blue light specials.
0:09:08.8 BF: Here? No. Serious? Here in town?
0:09:11.3 TD: No, no. That's in Minnesota.
0:09:12.7 BF: Okay, yeah.
0:09:13.8 BF: So and I found myself going to the skin care section, I pick up the oil of Olay or the Nivea because I had been making products in the lab, but I never really knew what people were using, I didn't kinda connect the two, and I was horrified by what I was seeing, because I knew what the ingredients were, and I knew that when I was working with those ingredients in the lab, I hated working with them 'cause they were sticky and they were gooky and they were heavy, and on top of that, I knew they didn't do anything.
0:09:38.4 TD: So you were reading the label. So you were looking...
0:09:41.9 BF: I was reading the ingredients.
0:09:42.3 TD: Oh okay. Yep, yep, yep.
0:09:42.4 BF: Yes, I was reading the ingredients because I was an ingredient guy, 'cause I was making, I was formulating, I was working with ingredients.
0:09:46.9 TD: Right.
0:09:47.0 BF: And so I found myself being horrified by what I was seeing. There were ingredients in products that everybody was using that I would wear gloves and a mask when I was working with them.
0:09:56.3 TD: Wow.
0:09:56.6 BF: Or there were ingredients and in products that I hated working with, because they would stick to the beakers and I couldn't get them off the beakers when I was watching the dishes and people were rubbing that on their skin, and then on top of that, people would come into my pharmacy and they would be complaining about their skin and complaining about their skincare. Nothing's helping my eczema, nothing's helping my wrinkles, my skin is drier after I put my moisturizer on than it's before I put my moisturizer on and there was a sense of just nothing works, and I knew why nothing works because I knew what the ingredients were, so I kept thinking there's something kinda... I kinda knew what to do, but I never really, never really took advantage of my knowledge of skincare and skincare formulation until somebody came into my pharmacy. He was a construction worker and he had this condition called alligator skin, which is a really, really horrific skin condition where you get these fissures and cuts and calluses. And I looked at his skin and it just looked painful to look at it. I couldn't even imagine how it was to have... Actually, the technical name for his condition was concrete dermatitis.
0:10:52.3 TD: Oh. Ugh.
0:10:52.7 BF: He was a construction worker and he was working with concrete.
0:10:55.8 TD: Oh.
0:10:56.2 BF: And concrete is very allergenic and there's a lot of components in concrete, and so he had this concrete dermatitis condition and boom, I got this, just this aha experience. You know, you ever had this inspiration?
0:11:06.0 TD: Yeah, I love that.
0:11:06.4 BF: I said, "I'm gonna go in the back of the pharmacy, I'm gonna make," His name was Ed, I'm gonna make him something for his skin, and I went in the back of the pharmacy, and I don't know if you know this, but the back of the pharmacy, there's always cool stuff. There's always cool stuff.
0:11:15.9 TD: I had no idea. I just thought of it, it's just a bunch of pills.
0:11:18.0 BF: No. There's always cool ingredients in the back of the pharmacy.
0:11:19.4 TD: That's awesome.
0:11:20.6 BF: Because pharmacists are all frustrated chemists, we all wanna do Chemistry, and we're selling toilet paper.
0:11:26.1 BF: And just dispensing drugs, you know? I would answer the phone at K-Mart and they'd be a guy like "Do you still have those musical Easter eggs?" and you'd be like... You'd be like.
0:11:32.6 TD: You're like "No, that was last month".
0:11:36.6 BF: Yeah, it's like really frustrating. Pharmacists are very frustrated. So anyway, I went in the back and I started putting things together and mixed him up, some stuff that I knew from, I learned from Dr. Jones and my own intuitions and just put things together, created this goopy mess for him, and I didn't think anything of it. Put it in a jar, gave it to him. Two weeks later, he comes back and his hands are not 100% improved, but they're 80% improved.
0:11:56.7 TD: Wow.
0:11:56.9 BF: Dramatically improved.
0:11:57.8 TD: Two weeks?
0:11:58.2 BF: Two weeks, and he is a very happy man and I think to myself, "This can't be. 'Cause how come the big companies aren't doing this, all I'm doing is just mixing stuff together". And sure enough, within a month or a month and a half, he's completely healed. He tells his, he tells his dermatologist about it.
0:12:14.5 TD: Oh, wow.
0:12:14.9 BF: And his dermatologist starts calling me at the pharmacy and he starts giving me patients. He starts telling me about his specific patients, their specific needs, so I start formulating for specific patients, and eventually I had a little book going with specific patients, specific patient's needs and their specific formulations, and then after a while I was doing this for... I was at Albertsons pharmacy at the time, I was doing this for Albertson's and one day I'm like, "Why am I doing this for Albertsons? I'm just gonna start my own darn pharmacy".
0:12:39.6 TD: Yeah. I mean, you're customizing.
0:12:40.8 BF: I was customizing skincare products, and so I started my own pharmacy, I started... This is called compounding by the way.
0:12:46.7 TD: Okay.
0:12:46.7 BF: Which you've probably heard of today.
0:12:48.2 TD: Yeah.
0:12:48.2 BF: But in 1990, nobody really knew what compounding was, and I started a compounding pharmacy specifically for the skin, didn't have any drugs in my pharmacy except for a few skin care things, and basically, that's it, but I was making products for people individually, and what I noticed was when I make a product for somebody who had eczema or who had a burn or had severe acne, or severe dry skin, invariably, they would come back with more beautiful skin.
0:13:10.2 TD: Well, results driven, hello.
0:13:13.0 BF: Well, yeah, but it was more than just their eczema would go away.
0:13:15.4 TD: Oh.
0:13:15.6 BF: Their skin would look beautiful. And it dawned on me that the same mechanisms that heal the skin, beautify the skin. So if you can create a healing product, something that drives the production of connective tissue, increases cell division and cell growth and has all the benefits of healing, a cut or a scrape or a wound or a burn, or eczema or any kind of traumatized or broken skin, you could actually create beautiful, get beautification results. And it dawned on me that that was the missing link in skincare.
0:13:44.0 TD: Wow.
0:13:44.2 BF: That was why people were not satisfied with their skincare products, because their skincare products were not healing products, healing equals beauty. And everything we want from a beauty product is really in the realm of health. And I'm not a beauty professional.
0:13:57.4 TD: Right.
0:13:57.5 BF: I don't know anything about beauty, but I'm a health care professional. And so what I learned was that if you could create products, and formulate products that had properties that would heal a burn, it would have the same thing that it would give you the same results that you would want from a beautification product. So what I did was I came up with strategies that didn't beautify the skin, but healed the skin and beauty came along with it. And these strategies involved completely re-architecting the way skincare is done. What most people don't realize, the average person doesn't realize is that skincare products are really... As we know them today, are really based on technology that's 150 years old. The modern skincare business as we know it today was first developed by Helena Rubinstein. I don't know if you have ever... You know, yeah right?
0:14:37.6 TD: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.
0:14:39.1 BF: In the late 19th century, and Helena Rubinstein got ____ she didn't know anything about the skin. In fact, Cell Theory, which is the idea that everything comes from cells didn't start until 1870. And Helena Rubinstein was developing her products in her Russian hut somewhere in the Ukraine or somewhere in a little, a little village in Russia in the 1850s, and then she came to the United States in 1860s or some somewhere along there, 1870s and she brought her formulas with her, and she started making skincare products, and that's when the modern skincare business was born. But the modern skincare business was born, not to help people with their skin, but to help women with their psychologies.
0:15:17.7 TD: I was gonna say, Yeah.
0:15:17.8 BF: It was based on psychology said, previous to this if you wore makeup or if you took care of your skin. You were a vamp.
0:15:24.6 TD: Oh is that where the word comes from. A vamp.
0:15:27.7 BF: Yes. Yes. You were a vamp or you were a hussy. Or you were really...
0:15:30.4 TD: Oh, yeah, yeah.
0:15:30.6 BF: You know, you're like a bad woman. Yeah. So what Helena Rubinstein did is she said no, this is a way that women can express their power. They can express their femininity. They can express their womanliness, they can really be who they are, which is beautiful, and it's a wonderful thing, but it has nothing to do with your skin.
0:15:47.4 TD: And healing it.
0:15:48.3 TD: It has nothing to do with your skin, Helena Rubinstein didn't know, understand skin. We didn't even understand cells until after Helena Rubinstein came out with her, with her formulas. But to this day, in 2021, the vast majority of skincare products are built the way Helena Rubinstein built her skincare products with water and an emulsifying agent, an oil, a little bit of a fragrance perhaps preservatives, fillers, maybe a little bit of active ingredient, maybe...
0:16:17.8 TD: Maybe. Right.
0:16:18.0 BF: A little bit of active ingredient. And as it turns out, there's not a lot of active ingredients that can really create changes in the skin. But because I was a pharmacist, and I had been working with Dr. Jones, and I had been studying medicinal chemistry for a long time plus, I was an athlete, I understood about the importance of good nutrition, I started to develop a concept of using topical nutrients to heal the skin. I knew nutrition was very important for building things, for building tissue, because I was an athlete and I was using nutrients to build muscle. So I knew that there was, there was a relationship between building and growing and healing and health and nutrition. And so what I realized was that we could do that topically if we understood how to deliver those topical nutrients if you will, to the skin, but it required as I said re-architecting skincare, taking out all the fillers and replacing those fillers with transdermal ingredients.
0:17:10.5 TD: And see that's the key right.
0:17:11.9 BF: That's the key.
0:17:12.3 TD: Because so many products out there right now don't... They may have that ingredient that you want.
0:17:18.2 BF: Maybe.
0:17:18.3 TD: But...
0:17:18.4 BF: But they don't leverage transdermal technology. There's various... This is what we do in... One of the things we do in pharmacy school is we study how you can get things from the outside of the body to the inside of the body through the skin. We look at the skin as a route of administration of active ingredients and we study transdermal technology. In fact, we have four semesters of something called pharmaceutics, which is the study of how you deliver medicine into the bloodstream through the skin. And that's why you have things like fentanyl patches and lidocaine patches and scopolamine patches and progesterone creams and estrogen creams. These are all the vehicles or medicines that utilize vehicles that get active ingredients into the bloodstream. So I took my idea of using topical nutrition for healing the skin.
0:18:01.6 TD: Love that.
0:18:02.0 BF: Combined it with my pharmacy background and in using pharmaceutics and transdermal technologies, and I created an entirely different way for people to take care of the skin. Essentially dosing their skin with nutrients like you dose your body with vitamin C and with vitamin E and Vitamin K and other nutrients. And I realized that that's what your skin needs. And what that does is not only does it create changes in the skin, and not only does it heal the skin, but it nutriates the skin and it makes the skin healthy. Because at the end of the day, when our skin is dry, it's a health issue. When our skin is hyper pigmented, it's a health issue when our skin is not, is thinning, and it's not as robust and as vigorous as it was when we were younger. It's a health issue. It's all about health. It's not... Beauty is great. And I love beauty. And we all love beauty. We're in the beauty business.
0:18:50.0 TD: Yeah.
0:18:50.2 BF: But it's health that drives the beauty. And without health, you can't have real beauty, you can have superficial beauty, you can have artificial beauty, you can have synthetic beauty, you can have pretend beauty, but you can't have true beauty unless you're healthy. And by the way, that's not just true on the outside of the body. That's true on the inside of the body as well. And that's why I talk about nutrition all the time, and my radio program is a nutrition program. And in fact, there's many people who know who I am, they don't even know I do skincare. They don't even know I have a skincare line. They just think I'm a nutritionist, and I help people with nutrition, I help them with their diabetes, and I help them with their autoimmune issues, and I help them with their digestive issues, and I've developed some very innovative and unique concepts around how you can have a healthy body because at the end of the day, the skin is not divorced from the body.
0:19:33.8 TD: Right.
0:19:34.4 BF: It's not separate from the body. And we always give lip service to the, the skin is the body's largest organ, right?
0:19:39.8 TD: Organ. Yeah.
0:19:41.4 BF: How many times have we heard that?
0:19:42.6 TD: A lot.
0:19:43.2 BF: But really look at this. Does that look like an organ to you? Not really.
0:19:46.4 TD: No. Not, Not in the sense that you think of an organ.
0:19:48.7 BF: Yeah. When you think of an organ you think a gooey and bloody and...
0:19:52.3 TD: Yeah. And inside.
0:19:52.5 BF: You don't wanna see an organ right? You don't wanna see your heart. You don't wanna see your spleen or your liver. But this is every bit as much of an organ as it is as the spleen or the liver or the heart or the intestine or any other part of the body. And you wouldn't think to rub a cream on your heart, if you had a heart attack, you would know that you have to have vitamin C and essential fatty acids and magnesium. All the things that are nutritional, Why should the skin be any different?
0:20:14.2 TD: Well, you guys if you loved this episode, I know I sure did. What do you think Maggie?
0:20:18.8 MS: Oh I thought it was awesome, Ben.
0:20:20.3 BF: Thank you.
0:20:20.8 TD: Yeah, really good. So I would encourage you guys to subscribe, okay, so that you don't miss a single one. We are going to be doing this these every week. You're going to want this info. So in closing, I just wanted to say that wraps our show. And as always, if you're not an ASCP member, join us at ascpskincare.com, that's backslash join. And if you liked this episode, like I said please, please subscribe. We wanna see you every week. And if you can't get enough of Ben, the Rogue Pharmacist, here right here, you can listen to his syndicated radio program that's at pharmacistben.com. I just wanna say thank you everybody today and have a beautiful day. Nourish yourself.